Circumcision - Part 3 with Bro. John "Ernie" Perez

Join us "Around the Table" with Bro. John "Ernie" Perez, Sis. Patti Perez and Sis. Audia as he takes us on the study of Circumcision in the Old and New Testament.

A fresh year deserves a clearer sign. We open by challenging ourselves to be witnesses on purpose, then walk through Scripture to untangle one of the most misunderstood themes: circumcision as a covenant sign and how it transforms under the New Covenant. Starting with Abraham and Moses, we honor the law’s meaning, trace the prophets’ call to “circumcise your hearts,” and watch the Gospels mark a transition from letter to Spirit.

From Pentecost onward, the pattern is unmissable: repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. We revisit Acts 2 and 3, see the Samaritans receive the word in Acts 8, and celebrate the shock in Acts 10 when Gentiles are filled with the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues—before any physical sign or Mosaic checklist. The Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 seals the matter: salvation is by grace through faith, not by circumcision or the works of the law. That decision is not a downgrade of holiness; it is a deeper call to a changed heart.

Paul gives the theological backbone in Romans 2: true Jewishness is inward and true circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit. First Corinthians 7 reinforces the freedom to remain in your calling: circumcision is nothing, uncircumcision is nothing—keeping God’s commands matters. Along the way, we talk about righteous judgment, self-inflicted wounds we can avoid through repentance, and why the “cut” God seeks today is surrender, not surgery. The result is practical and hopeful: a life that carries Jesus’ name, moves with the Spirit, and bears witness through mercy, courage, and everyday faithfulness.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:41

This is Sister Diana. So grateful to have you joining us today. So grateful to have to my life today, Brother Ernie Pernez. How are you, Brother Honey?

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It's a great day to be inhaling and exhaling for Jesus.

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Sister Patty's on the other side.

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I'm blessed today.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Yes, we are. You know, we take for granted that we get strength to get up out of bed. Yes. That we have breath in our lungs and that we're, you know, feel good enough that we can move around because there's all I can tell you there's days I don't want to, but I do it anyway. We do it anyway, right? But it's a new year. It's uh it is a new year. And and so Brother Ann, I just want you just for a second. I know that you're already on the video, but I wanted you to give a just to give a fresh perspective for a new 2026, and even if it's just it's years on down the line when somebody sees this, just to know that you have a fresh word for a new year, what would you say for us?

SPEAKER_00 1:43

I would say that it's time for us to be sure that we are his witnesses.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

If we say that the repentant life is the life of faith, well, that includes changing the way we think and the way we act. And we should be thinking. How do I be a witness for Christ? And our life should show actions. We're a witness for Christ. We have to tell somebody, hey, you don't have to be lost. Your life doesn't have to be a mess. Jesus is the answer for you. And there's nothing more important than an individual having a personal encounter with God. We can say God speaks all you want, but until you hear God speak, it it's hard to rationale how that works. And so that's why we have to be a witness. Because sometimes God speaks through you to people.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Right.

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They won't know that if we're not witnessing to them.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Right.

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So you shall be witnesses.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

That's the theme for this year.

Old Testament Origins Of Circumcision

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Love that. Love that. All right, brother. So we're going to continue this study on circumcision. Do you want to give us just a brief overview of what we've what we've talked about so far?

SPEAKER_00 3:05

We were talking about the object lesson that we get from circumcision. And we talked about when it was instituted in the Old Testament, how it begins with Abraham. It's incorporated in the covenant of Moses. But there are some prophecies in the Old Covenant that talk about circumcision of the heart. Circumcision in the natural, we've learned if a Hebrew, a Jew, decided, I don't want to be circumcised, I'm not going to be circumcised, they were cut out of the covenant.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Yeah.

Transition From Moses To Christ

Circumcision In The Gospels

Pentecost And The Apostolic Pattern

Gentiles Receive The Holy Ghost

The Jerusalem Council Clarifies Salvation

True Circumcision Of The Heart

Remain As You Are In Christ

SPEAKER_00 3:41

It was the seal of the covenant. The basis of the covenant was Abraham's faith. But it was because he had faith that he submitted to the sign of circumcision. And you get to the law of Moses, it's reiterated. You know, God told Abraham, whoever of your descendants is not circumcised male, they'll be cut off from the covenant. Same thing under Moses' covenant. They'll be cut off from the covenant. And so now we've moved into an understanding. We looked at, we we closed out with Jeremiah chapter 4, and we summarized a little bit there. And it bled over into the the New Testament, that it still is the same. God wants everyone to repent of all their sinful ways. God wants us all to commit our ways to the Lord. God wants us all, when we leave the world, to enter into a new season of our lives, to break up the fallow ground of our hearts, to receive the word of God with meekness, the engrafted word, and not to sow thorns in our lives. Most of our trauma is self-generated. And we really we want to get better at not doing that. I mean, everybody could say amen to that. So we're about ready to jump into New Testament references today. We're going to look at the Gospels. And I want to say this: the Gospels is a time of transition. And I said this before, perhaps you'll remember it. But moving from one covenant to another, there is always a time of transition, a time of shifting. Adam and Eve were living under the covenant, we would call it innocence, because all they had was the commandment of the Lord. When they ate of the fruit, the forbidden fruit, a shift began to take place. They had to make fig leaves for themselves. God put them out of the garden, put a flaming sword out there, and then they were living according to their conscience. So from the time when they ate of the fruit till the time when they were expelled from the garden, we would call that a time of transition. That happens for Noah in his covenant. Where does God begin dealing with him? Where he's building the ark. Takes him 120 years. He goes into the ark, he's there 40 days and 40 nights. It rains. Then there's time he spends on the ark before he comes out, offers up sacrifice. God establishes a covenant with him. There's transition. And so it is from the covenant of Moses to the covenant of Jesus Christ. And the transition begins with the ministry of John the Baptist, and it is completed on the day of Pentecost when the believers are filled with the Holy Ghost. And it's the first time salvation is preached by the apostles. What happened in the Gospels was their training, was the ministry of John the Baptist, is the story of Jesus Christ and his training of the apostles and his death, burial, and resurrection. But the church is established then in Acts chapter 2 with the outpouring of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Okay? So now we're going to be looking in the Gospels. And excuse me for looking at my notes often, but I just have to be sure I'm not getting things backwards. We're going to look at Luke chapter 1, verses 57 through 59. So I'll read those aloud to you right now. Now Elizabeth's full time came that she should be delivered, and she brought forth a son. Her neighbors and her cousins heard how the Lord had showed great mercy upon her, and they rejoiced with her. And it came to pass that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child, and they called him Zacharias after the name of his father. So we know that name didn't stay. It was changed by the angel's decree. He was named John. But what I'm wanting you to see is that circumcision is still required. It's required in the life of John the Baptist. He is the prophet who prepares the way for the coming of the Lord Jesus. He is circumcised on the eighth day, in line with the covenant of Abraham and the covenant of Moses. All right, so then we're going to turn to Luke chapter 2 and we're going to look at verse 21 and read there. Concerning Jesus. And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. Jesus was the Jews' Jew. Of course he was being circumcised. All of his disciples were circumcised. Look at the Gospel of Saint John, chapter 7. Go there with me, and we'll turn to uh verses 21 through 24. The people answered and said, talking to Jesus, Thou hast a devil who goeth about to kill thee. Jesus answered to them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision, not because it was of Moses, but of the fathers. What it came from Abraham, and Moses incorporated it into the law. And ye on the Sabbath day circumcised a man. So important is that that a proselyte who needed to be circumcised could have it done on the Sabbath day. That a child who was born a male child that the eighth day ended up on the Sabbath day, he could still be circumcised, even though there was to be no work on the Sabbath. Circumcision wasn't considered man's work. It was obedience to God's command. Verse 23 If a man on the Sabbath day receives circumcision, that the law of Moses be not broken, are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the Sabbath day? Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Let me pause for just a moment. When you hear someone say to me, or say to you, You're judging me, you're judging me, because you heard them lie, you heard them gossip, or you saw them in an adulterous relationship, and you're telling them, you need to repent. Doing these things is wrong, and they say, Oh no, you're judging me. Jesus said, Don't judge. That's because they didn't follow the complete teaching in the gospels on judgment. Because what Jesus is saying, it boils down to in a nutshell, and it's wrapped up here in John chapter 7, verse 24. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. That was extra. We're not taking up an offering. Now, we're gonna look in the book of Acts. This is where the church is established. We'll start with Acts chapter 2, where Peter preaches the gospel for the first time. And his message is really uh it begins in chapter 14. I'm sorry. In verse 14, John chapter 2, Acts chapter 2, verse 14 begins Peter preaching, Peter standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, he begins to preach then. He finishes preaching at verse 36. Therefore, let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God hath made that same Jesus whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. That's the end of the preaching. And so there's a conversation that goes on in the crowd that's listening. Verse 37 tells us the end of that conversation. Now, when they heard this, they were pricked in their hearts and said unto Peter and the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? So there was a general consensus of at least a small group of people that were close to Peter. They were discussing his message, and they said, Now what do we do? Why'd they say that? Because they believed. They believed Jesus was the Messiah and that they crucified him. And they said, What do we do now? So Peter said to them in verse 38, Repent, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Now, in all of the above scriptures, there are all of the scriptures I'm going to mention, in case you want to write them down, Acts 3 and 19, Acts 8, 5 through 12, verses 14 through 17, and verses 27 through 39. Here is the preaching of the gospel. We read Acts 2.38, so let's look at Acts 3.19. This is the second time Peter preaches. They asked him a question. What shall we do? Because they believed the gospel. Repent and be baptized, every one of you. When you get to chapter 3, verse 19, he's preaching the gospel again. And suddenly at verse 19, he's giving them instructions. They have to be the same instructions that were given in verse 38. Otherwise, he's preaching two different gospels. He says, Repent ye therefore. That's what he said in 38, and be converted. That your sins may be blotted out. So the remission of sins equals the blotting out or the erasing or removing of your sins. When the times of refreshing shall come is the outpouring of the Holy Ghost, according to the prophet Isaiah. So we're seeing consistency there. We're seeing in Acts chapter 8, Philip teaching repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus. And that doesn't change. So in all the scriptures noted, embracing the new covenant, Jews are being saved. Mixed-race Jews, Samaritans, and one Gentile, the Ethiopian eunuch, who was a proselyte. And circumcision for them was already a law. They'd already submitted to it. And Peter didn't say to any of them, you need to be circumcised. Then in Acts chapter 9, in the first eight verses, is the story of the conversion of Saul of Tarsus, who becomes the Apostle Paul. He starts using his name, Roman name Paul, to make his witness more effective. Now, in the first 18 verses is the story of his conversion. Paul being, or Saul being a Jew and a Pharisee before coming to Christ. You will read later in the New Testament, he confesses he himself was circumcised on the eighth day. All the Jews coming into a relationship with Christ, all the men, were previously circumcised. They didn't need a second circumcision. In Acts chapter 10, however, we get the first Gentiles in Mass who are not proselytes coming to Christ. We think Cornelius was becoming a proselyte, was on his way, but we have no evidence that he was. And when you read in Acts chapter 10, verses 1 through 44, the narrative does not lead you to believe these people are all Jews. Cornelius was an Italian. These were his friends and his family, and his house was filled with we don't know how many people. But they all came to hear the apostle Peter preach. Now, in verse 44, I'll start reading Acts 10 through 44. At beginning at 44, while Peter yet spake these words, in other words, while Peter was preaching. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. So all of those that were listening came under the unction of God's word and believed it. And when they believed it, that meant they were already repentant here, because they received the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Verse 45 says, and they of the circumcision, that means Peter and the other Jewish brethren that he brought with him to the home of Cornelius. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished. They were shocked, as many as came with Peter. Why? Because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. How did they know that? What did they do among themselves to establish that? Well, they recognized what God had done. Verse 45 says, Because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Verse 46, for they heard them speak with tongues and magnified God. This was their indication that they were filled with the same Holy Ghost they were filled with, the same way on the day of Pentecost, it's now happening in Cornelius' house. Verse 47, can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? So he asked the question to the Jewish brethren who came with him. How can we forbid these people to be water baptized? Why would the thought come into his mind unless that was a critical action in the law of God? And he commanded Them to be baptized. He didn't ask them, would you like to join us in believers' baptism? He didn't suggest you ought to think about being baptized. He didn't ask, would you like to be baptized like the rest of us? He commanded them, verse 48, to be baptized in the name of the Lord. And we know that's the name of the Lord Jesus. So that was a commandment. There is no mention of a physical circumcision or Moses' law in their salvation, in any of the messages of salvation that are preached in the book of Acts. In Acts chapter 15, there is a conference, as it were. The first big major conference of the church. And what was it about? There were a group of Jewish believers, Pharisees who believed in Jesus. They'd been born again. They'd been filled with the Holy Ghost. They'd been baptized in the name of Jesus. But they were thinking everybody needs to keep the law of Moses to be saved. And they were telling that to Paul's Gentile converts. Oh, you converted. You were baptized in the name of Jesus. You've received the Holy Ghost. That's all great. You know what you need now is to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses to truly be saved. Jesus didn't preach that anywhere. He didn't teach that to the apostles anywhere. The law was great and beautiful, but it was a schoolmaster to prepare us for Christ. And the object lesson of circumcision was about identifying with Christ, identifying with the covenant, about separating yourself unto him, and about being buried with Christ and having your sins washed away. So in the first 29 verses, the believers who were the Pharisees debated with the apostles and James, the brother of the Lord Jesus, about circumcision taking place. And they debated with Barnabas and Saul. And finally Peter said, no, no, nobody could keep the law of Moses. Nobody succeeded. So the apostles, after much discussion about circumcision and the law of Moses, to find the will of God for the salvation of Gentiles, does not include physical circumcision or literally keeping of the Mosaic Law. Well, the Mosaic Law was completed when Jesus said, it is finished. He fulfilled all the law of Moses, finally himself being the supreme sacrifices. In verse 7 through 11, what is discussed? Faith in Christ is what is necessary for salvation. Not just claiming that faith, but living it through submission to the gospels. We'll read then verses 7 through 11. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up and said unto them, Men and brethren, you know that how a good while ago God made choice among us that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bear them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as He did unto us. Peter is establishing that God poured out the Holy Ghost on the Gentiles. They weren't circumcised, they weren't keeping the law of Moses. Verse 9, and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Circumcision is not mentioned or included. Verse 10, now therefore, why tempt ye God? Why are you testing God in this matter? To put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, that's in general, Jew and Gentiles are disciples of Christ. But speaking particularly regarding the Gentile disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear, none of us ever really were able to live up to all the ordinances of the law, let alone the customs and traditions that we established afterwards. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we shall be saved even as they. In other words, Jew or Gentile were all saved the same way by faith. Why would we believe if why would we be baptized if we didn't believe and have faith? Why would we be given the Holy Ghost if we didn't believe and have faith? This is the cornerstone to believe and to have faith. So we looked at Acts 10, 44 through 48. I would look again, tell you to read Acts 11, 1 through 18, but we'll focus on 15 and 17. What happened in Acts 11 is that Peter is called on the carpet, as it were, for being in the home of Cornelius, the Gentile, and preaching the gospel to all those Gentiles. And he's testifying as to why he did that. All about the story of how God led him there to that house and introduced him to Cornelius. And he would get to verses 15 through 17. While he is there preaching at the home of Cornelius, this is what he tells the brethren who are examining him and questioning him. As I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, Jesus said, John indeed baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. This was a prophecy of Jesus Christ to the multitudes that followed him. John baptized you with water, but that's just the beginning. You shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Verse 17, Peter says, For as much as God gave them the like gift, they received the same gift that we did on the day of Pentecost. He gave them the like gift as he did unto us who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. What was I that I could withstand God? Salvation is moving beyond the Jewish nation. It was always intended to, right? I mean, I'm not going to turn there, but most of you would be familiar with Acts chapter 1, how that Jesus told the disciples, you shall be witnesses unto me after that you receive the Holy Ghost in Jerusalem, in Samaria, and to Judea, and to all the uttermost parts of the world. We read, all of us are familiar with John 3.16, for God so loved the world, Jesus is the Savior of the whole world. He came to save the world, not just the Jews. And this is being stressed here. The church is evolving into this understanding. We're watching them as we read through the book of Acts, as they begin to evolve in their understanding of what Jesus taught them. Now, let's turn to Romans chapter 2. And let's look at what's taught now to established churches. This is after the decision that was made in Acts chapter 15 that nobody needs to keep the law in order to be saved. That it's by faith. Jews did continue to keep the law to some measure. And we find as you read the life of Paul and the things he did, he kept it to some measure. But there was no sacrifice that they gave because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. Now in Romans chapter 2, all the churches that you read about in the New Testament are made up of Jews and Gentiles, perhaps except for the book of James, which is written to the 12 tribes which are scattered abroad, and the book of Hebrews, which is written directly to Hebrew believers. So James wrote his book to Hebrew believers, and the writer of the Hebrews, who we believe was Paul, wrote his book expressly to Hebrew believers, but the rest, the churches are mixed between Jew and Gentile. Now, there's always going to be, whenever there's different cultures together, there's always going to be hurdles to overcome. One of those hurdles is cultural differences. We learn to understand one another and get along with each other with effort. We intend to do it. Well, it's the same in the church. They intend to get along. And Paul intends to help them. And so there appears to be some perhaps bickering in the Roman church, definitely some division between Jews and Gentiles, and with Jews thinking that they are closer to Jesus than the Gentiles are, even though they're all baptized in Jesus' name, they're all filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, they're all living by faith, yet the Jews evidently think, the Jewish believers, we're cut above. Now, Paul addresses that in particular in chapter 2, and he you should you should read the chapter. But we are going to read verses 28 and 29. Paul bringing the argument to a head, which is better, Jew or Gentile, you need to understand something. Sometimes the Gentiles live the law of the Jews without ever having received the law of Moses. So he says in 28, for he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh. He's settling who is a Jew. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart. What were the prophetic statements we read in the Old Testament and in the book of Jeremiah? And what we read in Numbers that circumcision would eventually have to be of the heart. That God wanted Israel to circumcise their hearts. Now here it is, the church. Who is a Jew? Everyone who's in the church, because he is a Jew which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God. So Paul says, Let me settle it among you, church at Rome, which is made up of Jews and Gentiles, which is debating about the heritage of the Lord. You're all Jews. You're Jews by faith. And we are all the descendants of Abraham by faith. And our circumcision is of the heart. So if you're circumcised in the flesh and you're still living like the devil, what good does that do you? You don't have faith in God. You're not trying to live a repentant life. You don't care about being baptized in the Holy Ghost or in water. You're just going to do what you want. But say, I'm okay because I circumcised myself? This is not, according to the Apostle Paul, who a Jew is. Now, does the Apostle Paul know what he's talking about? Is the Word of God correct? Would we challenge the Word of God and say to Gentile believers, you have no inheritance in Judaism because you weren't circumcised and you don't keep the law of Moses? Paul would not tolerate that in the Roman church. And he put a stop to it right here, or at least he attempted to. Now, I'm going to read again from Romans chapter 2, but this time from verse 24 through 29, just to seal it up a little bit. For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you. Who? Through you Jews, as it is written, for circumcision verily profiteth if thou keep the law. But if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. In other words, to my Jewish brethren, if you've ever sinned, if you've ever failed to keep the law, and your faith is in the law, your circumcision is null and void. Therefore, the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law. I'm sorry, therefore, if the uncircumcision, the Gentile, keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? Verse 27, and shall not uncircumcision, which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge thee who by the letter and circumcision thus transgress the law? Then he comes up to who is a Jew for real. You're arguing over this? Understand that God sees circumcision in the heart. Physical circumcision, if you want to do that, you want to circumcise your children, that's fine. It's your tradition, it has nothing to do with salvation. He makes that very clear. A common struggle with New Testament churches is the relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers because of Mosaic law and tradition, the traditions of the Pharisees and the scribes, because when those people got saved, they brought their tradition into the church with them. In particular, as to trying to convince Gentile believers, they need to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses, including all the Levitical law, the sign of circumcision. So the focus is really hard at Romans 2 and 28 and 29 on dealing with that. One who is a Jew inwardly, and their heart is circumcised to God. What, according to the apostle, is circumcision for the believer? Oh, we're going to get into that. So far we know it's having a heart that's purified to God, but we're going to talk about that even more. Let's go to 1 Corinthians chapter 7. And I'm going to start reading at verse 17. And I'm going to read through verse 24. Make sure I'm reading my own notes right, folks. When you need glasses, it's a source of irritation. Okay, here we go. But as God hath distributed to every man, the Lord hath called everyone, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches. Is any man called being circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. And that might sound crazy to you, but under the reign of Alexander the Great, many Jews, Jewish men had operations done so that it would not appear that they were circumcised.

unknown 37:22

Really?

SPEAKER_00 37:23

So I tell you what, we're going to need to stop here. We're going to need to stop here at 1 Corinthians chapter 7. And I'll read the verses for you, and then we'll come back when we come to our next session. We'll continue at verse 8. Is any man called being circumcised, let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision, let him not be circumcised. It doesn't mean a thing. Verse 19, circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing. But the keeping of the commandments of God. Are you following God? That's what's important. Let every man abide in the same calling where he was called. In other words, you don't have to stop being a Jew to be saved, and you don't have to start being a Jew to be saved. Art thou called being a servant? Care not for it. Are you a slave? Don't let that bother you. But if thou mayest be free, oh, if you can get your freedom, use it rather. For what? Either way, you want to be a testimony for Christ. Verse 22. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's free man. Likewise also, he that is called being free is Christ's servant. So we're all servants to someone anyway. Ye are bought with a price. Be not ye servants of men, brethren, let every man wherein he is called therein abide with God. To be saved is not to change your national heritage. You don't have to go and become a Jew by being circumcised and keep the Mosaic laws. And Jews don't have to keep it anymore. They can if they want to. But they don't have to.

unknown 39:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Because circumcision takes on a whole new outlook in the New Testament. And we're going to get to exactly what it is in our next lessons.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

Because on the paperwork that people are going to see online, you have a fill-in-the-blank there. Under Romans 2 24-29. And it says, Who according to the apostle is a Jew? And you went over it real quick, but how did you how did you phrase that?

SPEAKER_00 39:50

I used exactly what is written in scripture, so I need to turn there so I don't misquote. Romans chapter 2. Verses 28 and 29. 29, but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly. And circumcision is that of the heart. So when you say a Jew inwardly, what do you say?

SPEAKER_01 40:22

Give us lay it out there.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

There's a lot there to be taught now. But we when we are born again of the water and of the spirit, we are renamed. That's why we baptize in Jesus' name. When you're born from your mother's womb, you got your father's name. You inherited it. When we come out of, as it were, the womb of the church by being born of the water, baptism, and of the Spirit, Holy Ghost, we're baptized in Jesus' name, so we have the family name. Of whom the whole family of heaven and earth is named. And so I don't want to get ahead of my lesson, but you're just gonna have to accept that.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

You know where I'm going with it. Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

I I got the clue.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

You got the clue. And so uh so the answer to that would be verse 29 there.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Yes. Okay, one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart and the spirit.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

In the spirit. So then the answer to what according to the apostle is circumcision for the believer.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

Right. It's in the heart, and there's more to be taught on it.

Closing Exhortation And Next Steps

SPEAKER_01 41:32

All right, all right. All right, very exciting, very exciting stuff. Okay, so thank you all for joining us again today. We'll be doing the next part to uh the circumcision with Brother Ernie, and we look forward to hearing from you. Thank you all for supporting Simple Discipleship Unfiltered. Please like and share and follow and and send the links out to all of your friends and family, or just put it on your socials so that we can spread this gospel. We are simple discipleship for a reason because the Bible should be taught simply so people can understand. So thank you, Brother Ernie, for your time again.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

It's my pleasure. I enjoy doing it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

All right, and we will see you guys again soon and listen to you again soon on the podcast. So as we end today, everybody, we're gonna say it together.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Yes. To go show some go show some love, show some compassion, give mercy, and go be Jesus today. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

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