Do we Bless Israel or "Israel"???

A single promise to Abraham echoes across history, and we follow that thread from covenant to modern headlines. We sit down as a team and ask hard questions: can you bless the Jewish people while withholding support from Israel, and what does Scripture actually say about nations, land, and blessing? The conversation moves from Genesis 12 to the words of Jesus in John 4, where living water flows across ancient fault lines and points to a Gospel that welcomes both Jew and Gentile.

We wrestle with Romans 11 and the mystery of the remnant, exploring how grace, not lineage, saves, while still honoring the roots that carry the tree. Along the way, we revisit Isaiah 53, not as a prooftext but as a portrait of a suffering Messiah whose path confounded expectations for a warrior king. Then we lean into the present: reports about the red heifer, visible steps toward a third temple, and why those signs matter in a biblical timeline that includes the abomination of desolation, a restrained world growing unrestrained, and the distinction between allegiance and coercion. You can’t accidentally take the mark; worship and consent are the dividing lines.

This is a pastorally minded, Bible-first walk through a charged topic, grounded in covenant theology, prophecy, and practical discipleship. We talk about praying for the peace of Jerusalem, supporting Israel without denying complexity, and keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus while staying alert to the times. If you’ve wondered how to think clearly and charitably about Israel, the church, and the days ahead, you’ll find a thoughtful, Scripture-rich guide here.

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Transcript

Welcome And Topic Framing

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Hey y'all, come to Simple Summer and Filter. I'm your little sister I am. Thank you so much for joining me on the show today. So let's open the water and see what Jesus has to say today. Hey, welcome to Simple to Supplish Unfiltered. I'm Sister Diana. And with me today, I have around the table Sister Ann Atkins. Hello. And Sister Audia Davis.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Good afternoon.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

How y'all doing? Good, good. Good, good. Um, there's been a lot of debate lately, um, primarily with um people who we audia, especially uh on the conservative side, who are going against Christians supporting Israel. Um, of course, Tucker Carlson and um Candace Owens, right? And so um we often want to say that we support Israel, there's biblical foundation for that. Now I get what they're saying because they're saying we can support the Jews, but we don't have to support the nation of Israel. Um, and what would you say to that?

Genesis 12 And The Covenant With Abraham

SPEAKER_01 1:43

I would say that they need to pick up a Bible. Yeah. Because the Bible states very clean c very plainly that he will bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel. And the United States, for all its shortcomings, you know, and and stuff, has always stood with Israel because if you look at the history of the United States and you look at Israel, you can see how they're all very much aligned. Right. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

And so what you're alluding to is Genesis uh chapter 12, two through three, right? So in which God gives a summation of that. Do you have that pulled up, Sister Ann? Can you just read what that says in uh pretty quick here, hang on? Yeah. Genesis 12, two through three.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

12, 2, and 3. Yep. Sure. Uh 12, 2. I will make you a great nation. I will bless you and make your name great, and you shall be a blessing. And I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

Okay, I want you to stop right there. When God is having this conversation with Abraham, right? Right. This is a covenant in which God has established with Abraham. We know the story of Abraham, Sarah, uh, Isaac, Ishmael, the whole Hagar thing, right? Right. Um, but this promise that God makes is that Abraham, I'm gonna make you a father of many nations, and I am going to make your people a nation. That's what it says right there, right? Right. You're gonna make that means the people that make up that nation is who I am going to bless, right? The nation of Israel was established when uh 1947. 48. 48? May of 1948. I think it was what 17, May 17th or something like that. Anyway, they weren't a nation until then.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

Well, they were a nation, and then when Rome took them over, they were never a nation though.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Oh they were just they were just that country. Yeah, they never had a land that they never held their phone and they were never recognized until um until 1948. Yeah, yeah, when oh, I want to say United Nations recognized them.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

The United States recognized them, and then the United Nations. Yeah, and that's what's so cool about this is that we can say that, well, the Jewish people are not the same as the nation of Israel. That's that's what the the back line is. Well, the Jewish people were just the Jewish nation, they were just Jews, yeah, wanderers. And every time that they would get established in the land of Israel now, someone would come and fight them and take them over. Right. Right? We know the Babylonians came. We know that the Persians came, we know that Rome came, we know, you know, all after all of this, in all this time, they were just considered the Jewish nation. They didn't become Israel, the nation that God promised, until 1948, in our lifetime. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Well, might have been not my night, not my lifetime. That was about 10 years before I was born.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

But my point being, they are now considered a nation as of that time. Yes, the promise, the prophecy in which God had said back 3,500 years ago, now was being established. And we're seeing that. So when people say that we don't support, we're not supposed to support the nation of Israel because they're bad and corrupt, well, they say the same things about the United States too, right? And I and we agree, don't we? We agree. We're not we're not a perfect nation, but does God have his hand upon us? Yes. Absolutely, you know, because out of all of our faults and failures, just like Israel, there is a remnant. There is a remnant who prays and seeks after God and seeks for the things of God to be the beacon of light around the world. I mean, the U.S. is that, but Israel too, you know?

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah. But we do know that that the place where Israel is now a nation is the land that God promised them.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Yeah, and just a small part. A very small part.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

Yeah.

From Jewish People To Modern Israel

SPEAKER_02 7:19

And that's the point. Everywhere when it when you go and look at the at the perimeters, the the base that which God had said this is gonna be your land, they still don't have all the land. No, no, so when people are saying, Why should Israel get Gaza? Why should Israel get this, get this? It's a promised land. It's a land which God had already established for them from the beginning of time. And it goes way up into Turkey and and all of them is it is also supposed to be theirs, right? Yes, um, and so they still don't have all of the land in which God had promised, uh, but they're getting it slowly but surely, right? And the thing that's amazing about Israel is if you've never studied um that whole thing about Israel and how they became a nation and all of that, it's just a miraculous thing in which God has done because Israel is but a small speck on a world map. If you've never gone and looked, and I'm just talking to the audience here, if you've never gone and looked up um the nation of Israel, the what is considered the state of now, it is it is so small. Uh we look at it in Texas terms, um, in which it's you know, say Dallas, Fort Worth, uh down to Waco, you know.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Not the size of New Jersey is what I've always marked.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

Yeah, it's not big at all. Yeah. Yeah, your enemies on are on every side. Yet every time someone tries to come against Israel, God steps up. I mean, we know that there was a war in 1967 called the Six Day War, right? Yes. And in that, um, you know, the adversaries came and God miraculously showed up. And there were uh recounts of people saying, Well, when we looked, we saw a massive angel army around you, you know. When we shot our bullets, they would never hit. You know, we were aiming at the targets, they were never hit. And so God has his hand upon Israel. And I think that if we begin to negate the power and the miraculous that goes on, then we're gonna miss out on the blessings of it, just like we just read, right? Yes, yeah. So, what are your thoughts, Audia, about when you hear somebody say, Oh, you know, we we're supposed to support the Jews, but we don't have to support the nation, what would you say?

SPEAKER_01 9:59

I would say the Jews are God's chosen people. He already told told them they were his chosen people, and he promised them this land. So to me, that is almost makes it makes it synonymous.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Anne, what do you think? I have to agree because reading from Deuteronomy 7, 6 and 7, it says that uh for you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth. And the Lord did not set his love on you nor nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, because they were least of all peoples.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

So would you go over to uh John 42? Let's go in because some people don't want to l read the old testament, so let's go to the New Testament and see what Jesus says there, right? Okay.

Geography, Wars, And Miraculous Protection

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Though Jesus himself did not baptize, but his disciples, he left Judea and departed again to Galilee. But he needed to go through Samaria. Which is not part of Israel right now, is it? Go ahead. So he came to a city of Samaria which is called Sychar, near the plot of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. Now Jacob's well was there, and Jesus therefore being wearied from his journey, sat there by the well, and it was about the sixth hour. And a woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, Give me a drink, for his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. So then the woman of Samaria said to him, How is it that you, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman? For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans. Jesus answered and said to her, If you know the gift of God and who it is who says to you, Give me a drink, you would have asked him and he would have gone, would have given you living water. The woman said to him, Sir, you have nothing to draw with, and the well is deep. Where where then do you get that living water? And are you greater than our father Jacob who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock? Jesus answered and said to her, Whoever drinks from the water that I shall give him will never thirst, but the water that I shall give him will come will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. Are you in chapter four? Mm-hmm. Chapter four. Yes. And twenty two. Yes. No, you said twenty-two. Yeah, I did. Well started too.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

But but here's the thing I want you to get out of the Samaria story. Samaria is in Israel, it's in between Galilee and um Judea. And so just like us, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

They have adversaries all around them. Right? The Jewish people, even though they're all in the same country, just like in America, we're all in the same country, our adversaries divide us out based on region, based on color, based on whatever that we do. We separate ourselves. Even the Christians are separated by denomination. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

It's no different. And we're all for one purpose, but we gotta have a different version of how we're gonna to worship.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

And I just wonder how it's gonna work on the on the day of the rapture when we're all standing before Jesus. Do people actually think that we're gonna be divided into separate rooms? I hope not, because I'll be wrong. Right? I mean, did you really think that the Baptists are gonna be every day? The Baptists will be here, Pentecostals are gonna be here. Of course, the Pentecostals don't think nobody else is gonna be there. But my point You got the Protestants. But my point is everybody thinks everybody else ain't gonna make it, right? Right. And the thing is, is that we know through what we do in baptisms, because we're we're big on baptisms here, right? Yes, um, is what Acts 238 says. Repent and be baptized in Jesus' name for the remission of sins. And so if you're baptized, you repent is the main thing. You repent and you be baptized in Jesus' name, you're gonna be saved. And so even in in Israel, the Samaritans were the enemy, and that's why the disciples were like, Why are you talking to her? One, why did we come here? And two, why are you talking to her?

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Yeah, they didn't even want to go through Samaria, the one surrounded.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

They were like, Well, the the Samaritans were people of Jewish faith that married into another bloodline, right? So therefore they were considered like half-breeds. Yeah, yeah. And so the Jews wanting to preserve their bloodline wanted nothing to do with them.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Yeah, uh, but they it made them their mortal enemy, you know, and plus they worshiped other gods. Yeah. And so uh the whole thing was to preserve the bloodline and preserve the relationship with God, right? Right. And so uh did you find 422? Yes. Okay, what is that?

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

No, I like the Samantha story. I was like, I'm all in it.

Deuteronomy And Chosen People

SPEAKER_00 16:36

You worship what you do not know. We know what we worship for salvation of the Jews. But the hour of worship, the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

So God has blended us together. It's no longer just the Jew, but the Gentile as well, you know, and thank God, you know, because you know, we wouldn't even have had an opportunity to do anything had it not been for the grace given to say it doesn't have to just be a Jew, it can now be a gentile as well, which a gentile is anybody else that's not a Jew. Yeah, right? Just like as in Muslim faith, you're either Muslim or you're infidel, and there's no gray line there, you're one or the other. And in in the Quran, the reading of the Muslims and the Islamic nation is that you can be killed for not being a Muslim, for not following the faith of Muhammad. Um and it thank God that we don't we don't have that. Grace grace abounds in what we believe, right? So um, so let's look one more at one more thing at Romans 11 and 5.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Five, eleven and five. Eleven and five. Make sure this time. There you go. Even so, then at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace, otherwise work is no longer work. So what then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks, but the elect have attained it, and the rest were blinded, just as it is written. God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see, and ears that they should not hear, to this very day. David says, Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense to them. Let their eyes be darkened so that they do not see, and bow down their back always. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

So here's the thing. Through grace, we just talked about that we're saved, that Jesus came, that he died for the whole world.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Yes.

Samaritan Woman And Inclusion Of Gentiles

SPEAKER_02 19:40

We can't fathom that. We can't fathom that on that cross Jesus did everything, bore every sin that any of us would ever commit, ever, all at the same time, for ever, for everybody. A tremendous price was paid for that, so that Jew and Gentile alike can be saved, right? That's why he was talking to the Samaritan woman. That's why he was at the well. Yes, because the Samaritan didn't have a right to talk to him, because one, she was a woman, two, she was a Samaritan, and three, she'd been married five times, right? And living with somebody she wasn't married to.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

All of that disqualified her.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Right. As someone you don't want to be associated with. Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

But Jesus, here's here's the miraculous thing. Let's don't forget this. This is the coolest thing. That Jesus shows up in the middle of her symbolizing everyone else that's not a Jew. Right? Yes. Symbolizing us. Right? Saying that regardless of all of this, you're not a Jew, you're a woman, and you've been married five times. Right? Yet I've came for you.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

My grace is sufficient for you. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

And Jesus had not even been to the cross yet.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

This is prophetic. What Jesus did when he went to the Samaritan, went to Samaria and met up with the Samaritan woman was prophetic of about what he was about to do on the cross for all of us. Yes. Yes, he was. That's why he told her to go and tell. Nobody else had he said go and tell yet. But he was saying, go and tell what you've heard me say, and you know that, and you'll and we've seen the chosen stuff where she says, I told you, I told you, I told you. They're all like, we heard, we heard you, right? See, but Jesus is saying, go and tell now, because it's meant for everybody that I came.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

And in God's great plan, He put Paul, a Gentile, to go and tell the world, the Gentiles, to bring the Gentiles and the Jews together under one umbrella.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Yeah. So so how how do you think that that how do you think people received that? Uh received Paul? Yeah. How do you think people received this is a message for everybody?

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Well, I think the Gentiles were thrilled because they had been considered outcasts by the Jews, not good enough to come into their temple, not good enough to be there. And so to the Gentiles, I think it was, oh my gosh, there is a God that loves me. Yeah. You know, but for the Jews, I mean, if you look in, if you look in Acts, I think we just did the deal, the study with Brother Ernie the other day about Paul goes to the synagogue, and the Jewish people that were there were gonna kill him. They even had men who swore an oath that they wouldn't eat, drink, or shave their heads and everything because they wanted to kill Paul. Well, yeah, here's the thing though.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Paul was not a Gentile. No, he was a Jew. Paul was a devout Jew. He was a Pharisee. He was a Pharisee. But he was a Roman citizen, too. Because he was from Taurus. Because he was from Tarsus. But he was a Jew Jew. Like he was like, went to the Jewish schools, he went to all the Jewish colleges, he went, he raised all in the I mean, he was a Jew of all Jews, Pharisee.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Yeah, he probably had a bar mitzvah.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Yeah, I mean he probably had all of it. I mean, he probably was from the tribe of Benjamin. Yeah, yeah. And so to see this Jew of all Jews be the one to go and preach salvation to the Gentiles is why the Jews were so upset with him. Because if he had been a Gentile going and preaching to the Gentiles, big deal. But you've been one of us. You were in here and we gave you money to go crucify them, but now you're prophesying for them.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Because his eyes were blind, he was blind, but then his eyes were open, and he saw what spiritually saw what his his calling was gonna do.

Grace, Remnant, And Romans 11

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Truthfully, too, you have to look at the Jews were very closed-minded. They had a way that they thought the Messiah would come and what he would do. Still, I mean still, yeah. And and therefore, you know, that's the that's the great thing about God to me, is just because we expect it a certain way doesn't mean it'll be that way. And I think he and instead of looking, they were looking for a savior who would free them from the Romans or from captivity. They weren't looking for a warrior king, they were looking for a warrior king.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

They were not looking, they missed the message. Yeah, right. They missed the message that God was going to send a savior to save their souls. Not their kind not bring them to be this nation. Yes, he loves them and he will protect them still, but they miss the message of what the sa the Messiah would be.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Even through the tribulation.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

I mean, when you look and read Revelation, which you guys know how much I love to read Revelation. Um, I mean, really, I do. I love to study Revelation.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

I know.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Um two years of it.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Two years of that. But I loved every minute of it.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

But my point is, is when we go and dig into that and we see even in the tribulation, we know that the tribulation is primarily for the Jews. The Jews. Yes. The Gentiles have opportunity now to be saved. We have we have been granted grace to have the opportunity to be saved now.

unknown 27:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Right? Right. The Jews too, they do have the opportunity, but the Bible does talk about some blinders upon the eyes.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

That they cannot see. Yes. Yet during the tribulation, they will see, right? Not just when he comes back.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

If the Jews had figured it out, would they have ever shared it with the Gentiles? No. No, it would have been theirs. Yeah, it would have been theirs. Yeah. And the rest of the world would be lost.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Yeah. And so we because we go through scripture and you know, especially at Christmas, and we studied Isaiah 53 and all of this.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

It's hard to imagine you go through that and read it and not see Jesus in it. You know, we see it.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

Right? Um, and if you guys are listening haven't gone and read Isaiah 53, it's the prophecy of Jesus, thousand fifteen hundred years before Jesus came. But it's the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus that it talks about. And so if you can't line that up with who Jesus was, you know, clearly you have blinders on your eyes. Even if that's the only scripture you have, you don't even read the New Testament.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Right? You know that just knowing what Jesus did and endured and went through, he fits so perfectly into that. You know, do you want to go over and read that?

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Because you can see Nicodemus doing all of his research to prove that Jesus is here for that reason.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

Yeah. Nicodemus wanted to not believe, you know. But he said, But you can't you have to be from God. Look what all you've done. You have to be. And he said, he didn't say I believe. He said, We see all the things that you do and say, and you have to be from God. Because no mat no man could do that. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Isaiah 53.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Isaiah Isaiah 53. The whole thing. Just start reading it.

Messiah Expectations And Isaiah 53

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Okay. Who has believed our report and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness, and when we see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, and we hid, as it were, our faces from him. He was despised and we did not esteem him. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted, but he was wounded for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniqu iniquities, the chastisement for our peace was a good. Upon him and by his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray. We have turned every one to his own way, and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shears is silent, so he opened not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare his generation? For he was cut off from the land of the living for the transgressions of my people, for he was stricken. And they made his grave with the wicked, but with the rich at his death, because he had done no violence nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him. He has put him to grief when you make his soul an offering for sin, and he shall see his seed, and he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see the labor of his soul and be satisfied. By the knowledge my righteous servant shall justify many, for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul unto death, and he has numbered with the transgressors, and he bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors. That is Jesus to a teeth.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Yeah, that's Jesus to a teeth. And I looked it up and it it's six hundred years, six hundred years from Isaiah to Jesus. But if you only read part of the Old Testament, we know that they read the prophets. Isaiah is considered to be a major prophet. Why? What's the difference between the major prophet and the minor prophet? The size of their books. The size of their books.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

There's 66 books in Isaiah.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Just Isaiah.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

Just Isaiah, yeah. So he's considered a major prophet. Only because the size of his books, right? And so um, and so we know 600 years went went past, and then here comes Jesus fulfilling all of that, you know. Um, and you know, we know that there's over 300 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. But to us, we still can't fathom how does the Jew not see Jesus as that, as the Messiah.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

They weren't looking for it.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

But let's just we we got just a very little bit more time, so I want to discuss something real quick.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Let's go deep into this uh uh the burning of the red heifer thing, okay? Okay, because you and I have been following that. Yes. Um, and um I believe from the many people that I've I've heard um that that was a legit ceremony.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

I do too. I do too.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

Uh I believe that they did not want this to happen.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Well, they said that this war, a lot of this war was brought on by because they did not want that to happen.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

They did not want that to happen.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Because they knew they would lose the temple.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Yeah, so they told them we're just gonna do a practice run to do this. Yeah, and there's many accounts, not just one or two, but multiple accounts that say the practice run was legit and that was the only way they could do it is because they didn't want it to happen. If they told them it was a practice run, they actually did it and they actually got the the ashes from that red heifer. Um, and you say, well, what does it matter about the red heifer? Well, the red heifer is part of the purification for the temple. And we just saw uh last week uh one of the people that we listened to sent video of where they're starting to build the temple. They've gated off the area, they've got the image of the temple there, and it's going it's being constructed. Now, a lot of people say, What does that matter? Well, when you get into revelation, because when the temple gets here, because we know that the temple has to be built because halfway through the tribulation mark, the AC, the Antichrist, is going to then reveal who he is, and he will through the with the help of the false prophet create a statue that will replace um all of the implements of the sacrifice that that they use. They're gonna be taken out of the temple, and that statue is gonna be set up for him in this temple. And they will in the Holy of Holies. We know tribulation seven years, three and a half year mark. Then this temple we know has to be built because at the three and a half year mark, they're gonna the the false prophet will go in there, take out all of the ritualistic stuff that they use for the sacrifices, uh the golden labors and the lamps and everything, um and replace it with a statue of the Antichrist. And you then have to worship the beast, right, in order to receive the mark. I want to reiterate one more time because a lot of these little chips are coming out for your hands and your forehead and all that. You cannot accidentally take the mark.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

No, you have to once you consent to it, you're you're toast. Yeah, here's the thing.

Red Heifer, Temple Prep, And Prophetic Timelines

SPEAKER_02 36:26

You have in order to get the mark, whether it's the tattoo that Bill Gates is trying to do now, and and that's a whole nother story, whether whatever it is, you know, because if you haven't heard of that, they have come out with a tattoo that's gonna go on your fore forearm. And it will replace your cell phone. It will replace everything that you have. It'll be a mini computer in your wrist, in your forehand, if you have not heard of that. Anyway, uh There's so much more on that. There's so much more on that. So so much more. But my point is at this three and a half year mark, he goes in and that a statue is erected for him, and you must worship the beast to get the mark. Right? If you don't worship the beast, then you're gonna either be killed or you're gonna more than likely starve to death.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Because you can't buy food.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Because you can't buy food, you can't, you're everything that they do now monitors every single one of us, right? We know that. Yeah, you know, for for our own safety, we have been slid slid under in this uh guise of our own safety that we we are watched and listened to by everyone and everybody. Big brother is really watching, always, always, and so, but then you're gonna be you you will have to submit, worship, renounce your faith in Jesus, and you will to get the mark, okay? Just kill me now.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

But here's the thing you're not gonna be here, yeah. Here's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

We believe in a pre-trib rapture, right? Um, and not so that we can escape this, um, but so that we're right now working as hard as we can to tell everybody about Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

Um, I do not believe that the church is gonna be just sliding out on our, you know, by the skin of our teeth, you know, and the rapture happens and we get out. No, I think that we go out with power. We go out because the glory has come and we're representing Jesus everywhere we go, and and in order for the restrainer to be removed, we have to be removed. The Holy Spirit is the restrainer. Yeah, yes, we carry the Holy Spirit. Yes. So you can't you can't remove the Holy Spirit without removing the church because we carry him, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:01

And you can't have the Antichrist come if the Holy Spirit is here.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

You can't. No. The restrainer that's what I want y'all to picture this. All of this that we see on the news, all of this horrible, horrible stuff that we say we see is with the restrainer here. Imagine what it will be like when there is no restrainer. See what I'm saying? Oh see what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

It's just you can't even imagine the horrible things that are gonna happen to people.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Yeah, and I like just to get into some of this uh revelation study because some of the words in which are used talking about when Paul's talking about uh in First Thessalonians 4, about the um the caught the catching away, if you will. Um it also talks about terms of the monsters returning. The Nephilim. The Nephilim and actual other Apollyon and things like that. Um, it's gonna be a horrible thing, you know. It's gonna be a horrible thing. Um, it's not simply Antichrist as a man. Oh, he's, you know, because we've read the Tim Lohy books, right? And we've seen those left behind movies. Yeah. That's nothing. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna wish that it was a good-looking European guy, you know, that was the Antichrist. It's not going to be that. Uh I believe that it's gonna be uh a polyon that's that was chained in the abyss. Um, I think it's gonna be a worse thing than we can ever imagine, um, just based on some of the deciphering of the scripture.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

I think a lot of the things that people are getting numb to right now, yeah, uh, you know, because because they say the Antichrist will have no affinity for women. And so this whole LGBQT, whatever. Yeah. You know, we've had so much of it shoved at us on TV, in movies, in our schools, everything that we're almost numb to it. Yeah, desensitized. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Yeah. So here's the thing. I I would love for us to go more into Revelation. I think that we really should going forward to just dissect it because but the thing is, I want you to realize the importance of why the temple is being built. Other people that we look up to, that we listen to, they say, Oh, there's not going to be a third temple. You're the temple. Well, there's gonna be a third temple. There's gonna be a third temple. Because they're building it right now.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

The thing that will not be there is God will not be in the Holy of Holies that they have there. It'll be there. I mean, they'll make a place called the Holy of Holies. Well, but why?

SPEAKER_02 42:04

Because the Holy Spirit's gone. But let's go there. Why why do the Jews feel it necessary to still have a temple and to still have sacrifices in in the Holy of Holies?

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Because they have not recognized that the Messiah has already come. Right.

Antichrist, Mark, And The Restrainer

SPEAKER_02 42:21

So what so they're they're a messiah that they're looking for, that's what they think is gonna usher him back in. Yeah. They they're still waiting for that, just like the the Muslims are waiting for their Mahi to come. Yeah, you know, they're waiting for the Mahdi to come. And and and so everybody's waiting for their person to come and step down on the Temple Mount. Um, and Jesus is gonna come. So I mean, I mean, we're waiting for you know Jesus to step down. But here's the thing that's after the seven-year period. Yeah, and and so there they think we've got to get the temple built because we've got to make the sacrifices, and and now that we've got the heifers, the purification can happen. They've got all ten ashes that they need, yeah, and they can go and purify the temple and start doing the sacrifices and start doing and their messiah is gonna come. That's why they will fall so hard for the AC when he comes, because he will represent to them all that they're looking for. When we know Jesus has already come, you know, and and their eyes won't be opened until Jesus splits the eastern sky on a white horse, and we're with him. I mean, think of that.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Yeah. I I do think there will be some Jews that once he creates that statue, oh yeah, there will be Jews that'll go, oh no, we got this wrong.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

And I think and I think there will be an unveiling there because then the scripture says go hide in the mountains, right? There's a place where they're gonna go and hide them in the mountains. Yeah, and the eagle will help in hiding them in the mountains. And you can decipher that any way you want. So um, yeah, we can go deep into that. But here's the thing why do we support the Jewish people? Because God said in the very beginning that He was gonna make them a great nation, and the nation of Israel is where the most huge population of Jewish people is. Yes, yes, you can't you can't deny that. I mean, they have what uh a billion in in that little tiny space. Um, and so um that's why we support them. And and the Lord tells us to not only support them, but to pray for the peace of Israel, pray for the peace of Jerusalem, right? And so we think it's a good thing, right? If you don't if you don't think like we think, that's that's really up to between you and God. Um scripture does tell us to bless them, you know. We we send money to them, we send money to to help, you know, with their missions that they got going on, the wars that they got going on.

SPEAKER_03 45:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Um we support our president right now with supporting Israel. Um, and so it, you know, it's it's a mixed thing in the church, but I just want to say this. If you if you feel like you don't want to support the Jews, I want you to remember one specific thing. Jesus was a Jew.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Period.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Yeah, there's no way around it. Whether he was born, you know, in Bethlehem, whether he was born in Judea, wherever people want to put him that he was born, he it was a Jew. He's still Jewish. He's still a Jew. And uh it'd be good to support the who he is, right? Yes, and um, and I I just don't think we can get around that point. So anyway, thank y'all. We've we've already had a whole speaking lesson here on, and we didn't even know what we were gonna talk about. So thank y'all for joining us. So we're gonna end with this to go show love, show some compassion, give mercy, and go be Jesus today. Hey SDU family, if you have enjoyed this podcast today, would you please like, follow, and share our podcast link? And we would love to hear your feedback and your podcast topic suggestions. To do that, simply go to our website at www.m3mi.org, scroll to the more tab, and select contact us. Also, if STU has been a blessing to you, you can also go to our website and select sew a seed. There are several ways that you can give, whether it's Zelph, Venmo, Cash App, or if there's an address to send a check or money order. All your gifts are tax deductible, and we thank you so much for sewing your seed with us. I want you to remember this. This person once said that a person has given you their time, they have given you their most precious gift because they can never ever get it back. Thank you for sharing this day with me. We love you, we'll see you soon.